/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Trump is not an "anti-establishment" candidate that is the most retarded shit I have ever heard. How can you be anti establishment when you not only work in the establishment but all of your polices SUPPORT THE ESTABLISHMENT? He's also not the supported by the working class this is just another dumb *****ing take from a retard who thinks "popular vote = every loves him" ***** idiot.


Furthermore the idea that he wasn't closely affiliated with Jeffery Epstein is HILARIOUS. Especially considering he was charged with *****ual assault from a woman who wrote about him *****ing her on Epstein island of which trump paid millions of dollars in a settlement. Not to mention all the tapes that just recently came out on him.

The working class is choosing trump because not only are they brainwashed dumb *****s who have been indoctrinated through CENTURIES of class war and propaganda, but, because the democrats have FAILED to offer any alternative to trumps god damn rhetoric. Even in swing states over all trump and the dumb bitch were still very close. You are just dumb.

>>485473
>Both anti-establishment strongman figures supported by the working classes
It's a liberal myth that Trump enjoys broad working class support. It was used to blame the white working class in 2016, but he actually did better with business owners than workers then; the white working class were like the least pro-Trump kind of white people.
He's also not anti-establishment. It's a con. His first admin was filled with neocons, and now that the election's over he's already started pivoting back to them:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/trump-iran-hawk-hook-pompeo-israel-netanyahu-russia

>Both accused of being *****s with little evidence
I mean, maybe he's not. Bill Clinton might not be, too. I think they both at least probably *****ed *****d girls who were being trafficked, but it's possible that they both thought Epstein was just a fun guy to hang out with for other reasons.

>It is important to note that the Republican Party has just won the popular vote for the first time in 20 years,
The more interesting thing is that they actually haven't won a non-incumbency presidential election with the popular vote for 36 years. Until now, Bush, Sr. was the last Republican president to be elected with the popular vote in 1988.

>This election has shown that Trump, like Perón, was not just a blip which can be swept under the rug by the establishment, but a highly-resilient political movement which cannot be defeated through conventional means. Trumpism is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
Except that it's manufactured.
Trumpism is an attempt by the establishment to capture and redirect populist energy. This, to be clear, has been wildly successful, but the intent is to continue on the same path of deregulation, militarism, and authoritarianism of the Bush years while diverting energy away from opposition. This is in the pattern of a long history of American counter-revolutionary activity; in the early-to-mid 1900s there were politicians who went straight from pro-worker positions to purely racist politicking because it was the path of least resistance with the capitalist class. Trump term 2 may anger parts of the existing state, but it will, like the Klannies of old, please his backers in the corporate and political state, and utilize diversion and cynical divisions to distract the plebs while a decades-long campaign of war on the working class intensifies.

>>485474
>He's also not the supported by the working class this is just another dumb *****ing take from a retard who thinks "popular vote = every loves him" ***** idiot.
I mean, any popular vote victory by definition requires a larger portion of the working class to vote for you than for your opposition. Workers are and will always be most of the population. That said, it's also not a great case if anyone's making it - like, you can make it for every president who ever won the popular vote, including Hillary Clinton. In Trump's case, people saw electoral results where he did worse with the working class than some of the biggest neoliberal shitstains on the face of the Earth and decided that he was a working class hero because they wanted to blame hicks for him winning the EC.

>The working class is choosing trump because not only are they brainwashed dumb *****s who have been indoctrinated through CENTURIES of class war and propaganda, but, because the democrats have FAILED to offer any alternative to trumps god damn rhetoric.
Just the second part.
If a pro-worker candidate was allowed to get that far in the GOP or DNC and had access to the political machine, they'd sweep it easily. Instead, Harris offered no major economic reform and ran as a neocon.

>>485476
This is grasping at stats. There are 350 million Americans in the united states that represent the working class. Trump and the bourgious have captured 74 million of those. That isn't even 1/3rd.

Also when polled many people said the dems were "to liberal" meaning that people that only facism is the alternative.

Whenever the discussion about electoral politics and popular sentiments comes up, it's always important to remember the giant elephant in the room is how many people don't vote at all or despise the duopoly.

>>485478
Is there data from 2020 onwards?

>>485501
There is but I've had a hard time finding it in graph form like this.

>>485476
>I mean, any popular vote victory by definition requires a larger portion of the working class to vote for you than for your opposition.

Saddam Hussein would win "elections" with 99% of the vote. Election results have more to do with the choices available than support per se, especially when Trump consistently polls at incredibly low levels of popularity.

>>485508
>Trump consistently polls at incredibly low levels of popularity.
Oh really, the media that has been hysterically anti-Trump for the past 8 years told you that the guy they hate more than Hitler is polling badly? Well they have no reason to lie.

Actually existing pure ideology